It didn't make the final edit, but the new Toucher and Hardy Show sounds a lot like the the old Toucher and Rich show. With Fred sounding more "into" the show. Only had the chance to listen for an hour on Thursday.
You could argue, over his entire tenure in New England, he's only had two shots to actually develop a quarterback. The first case is a guy named Tom who became the greatest player in football history. The second guy's name is Mac, and after 2.5 seasons it was clear he was not the answer. Two chances in 20+ years and one is the GOAT and the other, well, is Mac. That's a decent 50/50 split.
However, if we want to dig into this a bit deeper ... Belichick drafted/signed guys like Jimmy Garoppolo, Jacoby Brissett, Matt Cassell, Brian Hoyer ... are they/were they GOATS? No, but very serviceable quarterbacks that have had long NFL careers. A lot of teams wish they had a Matt Cassell on their team right about now (including the Patriots).
Mac is obviously a bust, but to put all that blame on Belichick is tough considering this was his first shot at drafting Brady's replacement. Most coaches will never draft a Jimmy Garoppolo, let alone a Tom Brady. Most coaches will never develop a QB anywhere near that level in a 20 year coaching career.
Glad you survived the Mickpocalypse, Mut. #BuckleUp
What I'm saying is that Belichick has only had two real chances to develop starting quarterbacks for the New England Patriots. And even the guys he's invested in that didn't become No. 1 starters in New England have become successful -- in one form or fashion -- elsewhere in the NFL. That is rare occurrence if you look at the league in a large scope.
I was just messing with you lol. I’m a Dolphins fan and to be honest, not sad that it looks like they are going to axe him. Yea the team looked like it was in disarray on offense way too often this season but when they did execute the overall gameplan, they were a lot tougher out than the record looks. The track record of new coaches being successful in the NFL is not great.
Red Sox games are really one of the only enjoyable things WEEI has to offer. Cutting Fleming would be a terrible mistake, almost like Orsillo, literally no reason whatsoever. Idk what the plan is but unfortunately in this day and age, I can bet not a lot of people are listening to sports radio, let alone Red Sox games. I have always gotten stares telling people I listened to sports radio, as a 19–20-year-old, I stuck out like a green hat with an orange bill lol. It is such a shame, part of me wishes Bradfo would get his own block, I could listen to 3 hours of him lol.
As far as the patriots go, this year was painful to watch, almost as pain as that raiders game last year. I will still hold the opinion that Mac was given a raw deal. He was great his rookie year and his regression has been disappointing. I remember you saying before last season, you don't care about wins and losses, just the development of Mac Jones, which they royally fucked up. Always struck me as odd that Bill sucks at drafting, one of the best coaches of all time and he can't tell a great college athlete from a Jamarcus Russell. He will be gone with all certainty, but will he coach somewhere else? Who knows, I think he should ride off to the sunset and try and not fuck up his legacy at all.
I came in 2nd for the 2nd year in a row in my fantasy league, a raging disappointment, since I had Stroud and he did great today! Just not last week, lmao.
Good luck on the bets and we'll see how things play out. Monday will be interesting, thats for sure
You would be great in the booth for the Red Sox....even for just 1 year !
Do you like anything at Gulfstream or Sanat Anita today ? I might need to dabble while I'm waiting for the snow ! FYI....I hate skiing as well. Give me a Beach any day
Another typical downer from the Sox and the lousy way they do things, thinking we're all stupid. I miss Orsillo, Eck and Remy so much on NESN (Youk is boring) and think Fleming is terrific. Surely the Sox brass don't like his honesty at times. What a shame if he's replaced with another word salad talking head :(.
Mut, how has Kirk not helped you get a full time job yet at Barstool? Portnoy wants bloggers and honestly most of the blogs on there kinda suck. You do a good job, maybe need to be less local, but overall a good read. Another 3-0 week, I can’t believe you are still hot this hot, us gamblers know the we eventually give on back but you are on a heater. Good luck with the snow, maybe head over to the Outlook in Westford with the kids but gives your keys to the wife,’dont need you getting DUI! Happy new year!
It didn't make the final edit, but the new Toucher and Hardy Show sounds a lot like the the old Toucher and Rich show. With Fred sounding more "into" the show. Only had the chance to listen for an hour on Thursday.
RE: Belichick developing quarterbacks.
You could argue, over his entire tenure in New England, he's only had two shots to actually develop a quarterback. The first case is a guy named Tom who became the greatest player in football history. The second guy's name is Mac, and after 2.5 seasons it was clear he was not the answer. Two chances in 20+ years and one is the GOAT and the other, well, is Mac. That's a decent 50/50 split.
However, if we want to dig into this a bit deeper ... Belichick drafted/signed guys like Jimmy Garoppolo, Jacoby Brissett, Matt Cassell, Brian Hoyer ... are they/were they GOATS? No, but very serviceable quarterbacks that have had long NFL careers. A lot of teams wish they had a Matt Cassell on their team right about now (including the Patriots).
Mac is obviously a bust, but to put all that blame on Belichick is tough considering this was his first shot at drafting Brady's replacement. Most coaches will never draft a Jimmy Garoppolo, let alone a Tom Brady. Most coaches will never develop a QB anywhere near that level in a 20 year coaching career.
Glad you survived the Mickpocalypse, Mut. #BuckleUp
So you are saying that Belichick is a master at drafting backup QB’s?
What I'm saying is that Belichick has only had two real chances to develop starting quarterbacks for the New England Patriots. And even the guys he's invested in that didn't become No. 1 starters in New England have become successful -- in one form or fashion -- elsewhere in the NFL. That is rare occurrence if you look at the league in a large scope.
I was just messing with you lol. I’m a Dolphins fan and to be honest, not sad that it looks like they are going to axe him. Yea the team looked like it was in disarray on offense way too often this season but when they did execute the overall gameplan, they were a lot tougher out than the record looks. The track record of new coaches being successful in the NFL is not great.
Chuck trolling Pats fans. Love to see it haha.
Gotta do it before this weekend or 😐
Red Sox games are really one of the only enjoyable things WEEI has to offer. Cutting Fleming would be a terrible mistake, almost like Orsillo, literally no reason whatsoever. Idk what the plan is but unfortunately in this day and age, I can bet not a lot of people are listening to sports radio, let alone Red Sox games. I have always gotten stares telling people I listened to sports radio, as a 19–20-year-old, I stuck out like a green hat with an orange bill lol. It is such a shame, part of me wishes Bradfo would get his own block, I could listen to 3 hours of him lol.
As far as the patriots go, this year was painful to watch, almost as pain as that raiders game last year. I will still hold the opinion that Mac was given a raw deal. He was great his rookie year and his regression has been disappointing. I remember you saying before last season, you don't care about wins and losses, just the development of Mac Jones, which they royally fucked up. Always struck me as odd that Bill sucks at drafting, one of the best coaches of all time and he can't tell a great college athlete from a Jamarcus Russell. He will be gone with all certainty, but will he coach somewhere else? Who knows, I think he should ride off to the sunset and try and not fuck up his legacy at all.
I came in 2nd for the 2nd year in a row in my fantasy league, a raging disappointment, since I had Stroud and he did great today! Just not last week, lmao.
Good luck on the bets and we'll see how things play out. Monday will be interesting, thats for sure
When will FSG/JWH dump traditional radio all together? I’d imagine they could put out their own audio stream and buy a cheap local AM distributor.
As an enjoyer of Baseball on radio being audio wallpaper, I knew the end was coming soon but I didn’t realize we were this close.
You would be great in the booth for the Red Sox....even for just 1 year !
Do you like anything at Gulfstream or Sanat Anita today ? I might need to dabble while I'm waiting for the snow ! FYI....I hate skiing as well. Give me a Beach any day
Another typical downer from the Sox and the lousy way they do things, thinking we're all stupid. I miss Orsillo, Eck and Remy so much on NESN (Youk is boring) and think Fleming is terrific. Surely the Sox brass don't like his honesty at times. What a shame if he's replaced with another word salad talking head :(.
Mut, how has Kirk not helped you get a full time job yet at Barstool? Portnoy wants bloggers and honestly most of the blogs on there kinda suck. You do a good job, maybe need to be less local, but overall a good read. Another 3-0 week, I can’t believe you are still hot this hot, us gamblers know the we eventually give on back but you are on a heater. Good luck with the snow, maybe head over to the Outlook in Westford with the kids but gives your keys to the wife,’dont need you getting DUI! Happy new year!